I have one indisputable reason why Barack didnt party with Epstein (aside from the fact that he was a normal guy from Chicago who dated adults). Its because he is Black. I cannot find a single picture of Epstein partying with anyone other than a bunch of lily white finance bros, technocrats, sleazy NYC lawyers and Bill Clinton (because of course).
2 countries France , Canada did documentaries on this in 1980s , 1990s modeling and what happens at agencies one showed a movie on their network drying up the streets it about this , was not cut original edit, sex with children xxx stuff . Docs were doing stories about this too , went to countries news site W5 to see if i could get copy because it was done by national news , unfiltered /us 20/20 did 1 too in 80s but lame. Everything and more was discussed in these docs EVERYTHING
Also models were taken out of the country to be brought to ones that had deserts where there was no escaping the assaults or even had cameras to take pictures these , Models were lined up in long lines the asked to come in , take their clothes off , judged by multiple guys , get selected taken to a boat where they are given drugs raped and sent to a desert , it happened in Canada US France UK THE MODELS EVEN HAD SHAPONES! These docs are out there for decades , where are they now!
Forgiveness is meant for those who seek it and the MAGA’s aren’t seeking it. They are fine with destroying our country, all we hold dear, and us right along with it. As far as I’m concerned the MAGA’s and their perverse movement must be destroyed so we can reclaim the decency of our country. Let deprogrammers and shrinks figure these people out and feel sorry for them. Maybe someday when we’ve won this war against the MAGA movement forgiveness can be considered but now is not the time, at least not for me.
The hatred in this explains why progressives will be a permanent minority. Conservatives welcome progressives who get mugged by reality and see the light to their ranks. Progressives are a hate cult not interested in persuading opponents to join their cause, preferring to persecute, ostracize, and in many cases subject to physical violence (see Magione and his fanboys).
That guy is why I’m no longer a Republican. I decided I couldn't be at the same party as the infamous QAnon Shaman. He is hardly representative of conservatives.
By conservatives, do you mean Marjorie Taylor Greene, and her "Jews control the weather" positions?
Unfortunately for people such as yourself, there are no longer "conservatives" in the political context. There are outright MAGA crazies, and little lunatics like that thumbs-up guy dancing around Musk's chainsaw!
The crazy lunatics have taken control of both party's asylums.
Forgive them for what? They got what they wanted. They will celebrate the wins no matter if it is in their best interest or not. Will some have regrets? Most likely. But how is that any different when the liberals win (which I am one). My hope is did they learn anything from the experience. We don’t need to forgive. We need to understand. Understand why they feel the way they do. And let’s not simplify it but saying they are ignorant, bigoted, racist, etc. It may be true in some cases but not all.
Forgiveness is defined as, a cease to feel resentment. The resentment for their cruelty & determined ignorance remains, & will remain a stain on democracy. So.. no forgiveness, no trust ever again. Yes, they can participate in remediating the destruction they brought but will never live long enough to earn forgiveness.
MAGA is a terrorist group
And meanwhile, on the "home front":
https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/07/enraged-hunter-biden-eviscerates-democratic-party-in-seething-rant.html
Sounds like he's off his meds again. Or, he's just mad that he can't find his laptop. The one he brought in for repairs "just last week."
Best discussion I’ve ever heard on the subject.
I have one indisputable reason why Barack didnt party with Epstein (aside from the fact that he was a normal guy from Chicago who dated adults). Its because he is Black. I cannot find a single picture of Epstein partying with anyone other than a bunch of lily white finance bros, technocrats, sleazy NYC lawyers and Bill Clinton (because of course).
2 countries France , Canada did documentaries on this in 1980s , 1990s modeling and what happens at agencies one showed a movie on their network drying up the streets it about this , was not cut original edit, sex with children xxx stuff . Docs were doing stories about this too , went to countries news site W5 to see if i could get copy because it was done by national news , unfiltered /us 20/20 did 1 too in 80s but lame. Everything and more was discussed in these docs EVERYTHING
Also models were taken out of the country to be brought to ones that had deserts where there was no escaping the assaults or even had cameras to take pictures these , Models were lined up in long lines the asked to come in , take their clothes off , judged by multiple guys , get selected taken to a boat where they are given drugs raped and sent to a desert , it happened in Canada US France UK THE MODELS EVEN HAD SHAPONES! These docs are out there for decades , where are they now!
It’s been a values and morals question from day one. Always.
I’d like to survive their onslaught first before even thinking about forgiveness.
Forgiveness is meant for those who seek it and the MAGA’s aren’t seeking it. They are fine with destroying our country, all we hold dear, and us right along with it. As far as I’m concerned the MAGA’s and their perverse movement must be destroyed so we can reclaim the decency of our country. Let deprogrammers and shrinks figure these people out and feel sorry for them. Maybe someday when we’ve won this war against the MAGA movement forgiveness can be considered but now is not the time, at least not for me.
Can we blame snowflakes for melting?
The hatred in this explains why progressives will be a permanent minority. Conservatives welcome progressives who get mugged by reality and see the light to their ranks. Progressives are a hate cult not interested in persuading opponents to join their cause, preferring to persecute, ostracize, and in many cases subject to physical violence (see Magione and his fanboys).
It’s a pretty ugly cult.
As opposed to, say, people with painted faces wearing buffalo horn hats, storming the Capitol?
That guy is why I’m no longer a Republican. I decided I couldn't be at the same party as the infamous QAnon Shaman. He is hardly representative of conservatives.
By conservatives, do you mean Marjorie Taylor Greene, and her "Jews control the weather" positions?
Unfortunately for people such as yourself, there are no longer "conservatives" in the political context. There are outright MAGA crazies, and little lunatics like that thumbs-up guy dancing around Musk's chainsaw!
The crazy lunatics have taken control of both party's asylums.
You are a poster boy for partisan hatred, and yet another example why your hate cult will thankfully be relegated to permanent minority status.
Reply and you're blocked.
I was trying to say that if you are in fact a political conservative and not a MAGA, then you have been left behind by the Republican party.
If you can't stand intellectual competition, go right ahead! Your loss!
Sorry, indidnt get past your first paragraph. Turns I actually agree with you. My bad.
Forgive them for what? They got what they wanted. They will celebrate the wins no matter if it is in their best interest or not. Will some have regrets? Most likely. But how is that any different when the liberals win (which I am one). My hope is did they learn anything from the experience. We don’t need to forgive. We need to understand. Understand why they feel the way they do. And let’s not simplify it but saying they are ignorant, bigoted, racist, etc. It may be true in some cases but not all.
On behalf of everyone deported to El Salvador, people sitting in Alligator Auschwitz, people snatched off the street, forgiving MAGA is a NO FOR ME!
Forgiveness is defined as, a cease to feel resentment. The resentment for their cruelty & determined ignorance remains, & will remain a stain on democracy. So.. no forgiveness, no trust ever again. Yes, they can participate in remediating the destruction they brought but will never live long enough to earn forgiveness.